September 10, 2015 at 12:42 pmwbponycross Original PosterTopics Started: 3Replies Posted: 3
I have a horse that’s prone to ulcer symptoms. He had an ulcer a couple years ago that I had treated and he has not had one since. He has a very touchy stomach and is hard to keep weight on. The one thing about him that stands out is that he’s an extremely nervous, spooky horse.
I’ve had him on Magnesium 5,000 for a month now and have noticed a significant difference in his attitude. He is much more relaxed in all situations and even settled into his recent new home within a few days which is tremendous (he got the ulcer after moving homes a couple years ago). I really like him on this supplement. However, he still has a touchy stomach and is hard to keep weight on.
I just recently ordered SmartGut for him and now I’m wondering if I should keep him on both. I know that with gut supplements nervous horses tend to relax and maintain weight much better. Should I stick with just the gut supplement and see if he remains as relaxed as he’s been or should I keep him on both just to be sure? I don’t want to spend more money than I have to.September 10, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I would discuss this with both your vet and with Smartpak. You don’t want to overdo it, and possibly make things worse.
It is never the horse's faultSeptember 23, 2015 at 1:09 pmohminsunTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 7
I used to have a very anxious horse who would basically give himself ulcers. I found that in the end, G.U.T was helpful while using occasional packet of Confidence EQ for more stressful times.
오민선 | MinSun OhSeptember 24, 2015 at 9:15 amsusan_thompsonTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 2
I have a TB that was extremely hot, and ulcers at times.
I too used magnesium. I believe that 5,000 is a lot to stay on permanently. It can lead to diarrhea. And you loose energy because it makes you sleepy. I personally have tried. It doesn’t make my stomach feel so hot. B vitamin does calm and I tried that. At the time we were feeding strategy. Since then I switched this one horse to Tribute Kalm Ultra – I love it for her. Then I tried G.U.T. through smartpak. My horses love. Smells good, has marshmallow extract in it. Now, I kept on for a long time and my other horse started getting skinny. My vet said to use less. and that worked too. Then I stopped and I haven’t had a problem since. I still occasionally give or if I see belly soreness will start up again. Reason I choice G.U.T. is that is didn’t have an antiacid which when you come off of can to my knowledge cause lots of acid. Also cost was lower. I researched the ingredients and there is one in the GUT that is also used for ADHD and I thought my young guy did show more focus on. Good luck with your choice. Hope that helped.September 24, 2015 at 9:34 amrandlebTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 1
Very good questions. I will just pass along that my chiropractor/acupuncturist/vet strongly recommended SmartGut Ultra last year when my mare was reactive to her “stomach points” (acupuncture speak)–it had great results in scientific studies which she had been reading. I had noticed my mare’s sensitivity when grooming her (it was a noticeable change). After using SmartGut Ultra for a month, my mare was back to normal. I kept her on SmartGut Ultra two-three months and then downgraded to SmartGut. If she has any flare ups, I plan to go back to SmartGut Ultra.
You may want to try the Ultra. It has higher magnesium as well additional ingredients for ulcers. It is more expensive than SmartGut, but you probably would not need the Mag 5000.
You may also want to consider using just the SmartGut or SmartGut Ultra and a B vitamin supplement.
Good luck.September 24, 2015 at 10:50 amtunastickTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 7
I have two horses on 10K of Mag5000 per day (divided) and this is the perfect dose for them. One is fearful and has lots of skeletons and the other has muscle issues/spooky behavior and previously had too small and too firm manure. In our area (NW) we have mag deficient soils, so the dosage will vary with that and the individual horse. If your horse gets diarrhea, you are giving too much for your individual circumstances.September 24, 2015 at 10:55 amwbponycross Original PosterTopics Started: 3Replies Posted: 3
Thanks everyone for the responses. I’m going to talk with my vet as well. I’ve tried lots of different supplements and feeds with my horse and can’t quite decide what I should stick with.September 24, 2015 at 1:55 pmkamikazeTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 4
I’m wondering why you think your horse doesn’t have ulcers now even though you say he has a very touchy stomach. That is a common symptom. Obviously the difficulty maintaining weight could be numerous things including ulcers. I suggest reading Dr. DePaola and Dr. Ridgway for more ulcer symptoms for both fore and hindgut ulcers as the symptoms do overlap & are often labeled as behavioral. If you horse does have ulcers, the supplements you’re considering will probably not help you. Perhaps the Smartgut Ultra if they’re minor or if it’s gastritis, but the regular smartgut will not. Nor will either address the hindgut. In a horse with a history of foregut only ulcers, I would keep them on Smartgut Ultra but strongly recommend you contact your vet for medicine for a minimum of 3-4 weeks. My mare hasn’t had foregut ulcers after staying on Smartgut Ultra but did have probable hindgut ulcers while on it. She was treated & upgraded to SmartGI Ultra but 2 months later, still is indicating hind gut ulcers & is back on medicine. Her ulcers are chronic pain related as her exercise & feed is very low risk but consider adding more forage, adding some alfalfa (calcium buffers acid), and reducing grain if you feed it. Good luck.September 24, 2015 at 3:16 pm
Do you deworm your horse? If not than that is the problem. I hand a horse that was not being dewormed all the time and she got an ulcer. If you do deworm him you may not be doing it often enough. Hope i was some help!September 24, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Don’t worm your horses unless you know for certain that said horse does have worms. Get a fecal count done. My vet does not recommend giving chemicals unless they are needed.
It is never the horse's faultSeptember 24, 2015 at 4:00 pm
You can do that but you need to de-worm them every month. so you DON’T have to go to the vet and spend more money.September 24, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Penelope – you do not have to worm horses every month. Mine haven’t needed worming in two years. I do the fecal twice a year to check, but we just don’t have a problem with worms where I am.
It is never the horse's faultSeptember 24, 2015 at 4:18 pm
well i don’t have problem with worms, but my horse had an ulcer so I de-wormed her and the ulcer went away.September 24, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Let us simply agree to disagree on the topic.
It is never the horse's faultJune 10, 2016 at 9:39 pmriding for ChristTopics Started: 1Replies Posted: 118
wbponycross, What do you feed?
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