Energy problem!

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  • sutclije Original Poster
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    Hi everyone, this may be a dumb question, but I am going to ask anyway. My gelding has TONS of energy. This is even with 12+ hours of turnout and being worked 6 days a week with either a 45 minute lunge session or an hour of being ridden. He only gets about 1 scoop of grain morning and evening (plus supplements which do NOT include anything for energy), and this is because he lost a bit of weight over the summer, and we do not want him to be too skinny going into winter. It seems as if the weather changing and getting colder has caused him to have more energy, but is there anything I can do about this? Or is this normal and something that he will work out of maybe as he gets older? He is 4 years old and an Arab, so he is hot-blooded. Sometimes he goes a bit “bonkers.”

    stockshowkid’97 stockshowkid'97
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    Sounds like he’s an interesting horse to own! Oh, and there is no such thing as a dumb question ๐Ÿ™‚
    It sounds like he’s just really the high strung type. My girl can get like that in the windy, cooler winter weather and it’s SO much FUN to get he calmed down! ๐Ÿ˜› lol
    The best thing I can recommend is just keep him turned out so he can gallop at least some of it off and just keep him busy kind of like your doing. It might fade as he gets older, and he’ll just be hyper in the cooler months.
    BUT- If he starts to be dangerous like run you over type, then I’d recommend putting him on maybe a calming supplement. Because we can not have horse or human hurt! But if he’s just feeling his oats then that’s normal. ๐Ÿ™‚

    ~If you come at it having only 15 minuets it will take all day... If you come at it having all day it will take you 15 minuets~

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    You could look into a food with more fat for energy & weight gain. This tends to make horses less “hot”. I like ADM’s line of glo products

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    It sounds like he could benefit from a calming supplement. It won’t make him mentally slow, but it will help take the edge off. Also, since he is not a easy keeper, have you considered cutting back a bit on the grain and adding beet pulp to his grain? I boarded at a place in TX and saw this work with a large warmblood with some gastro issues. The barn owner swore by it.
    Hope this helps. Good luck with your guy.

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    Rice bran. Great for adding weight without adding extra energy. I used it to add weight to my Paint gelding who was laid up with lameness issues but severely under weight. It worked beautiful for putting weight on him without adding energy so he was able to stay quiet and calm while he healed. It’s also very affordable.

    Ride to live, live to ride!

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    Oh and also if you want to calm him down some – Mare Magic. Stuff works great!!

    Ride to live, live to ride!

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    Hi! The best way to add calories without energy is to add fats. You can add corn oil or soy oil to each feeding. You want to start off slow with the introduction, usually over 3-4 weeks as the body needs to adjust so it can adequately digest the additional fats. You can potentially feed him one cup up to twice daily. Another bonus to fat supplementation is that it has no effect on cecal or colonic pH so there really are not any side effects. If he is picky with the top dressing there are some feeds that are considered “fat supplemented”. These are feeds that are labelled >3.5% fat so look for a feed that has 8-10% crude fat.

    sutclije Original Poster
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    Hi everyone, thank you for the suggestions. He is actually currently on SmartCalm Pellets, but I have upped his dose a bit. I had cut it due to a nutritional analysis I did, but have since put it back up to the maintenance dose.

    We also think that the change in pecking order in his field recently has added to some of his “changes.” A horse that was the “boss” passed away a few weeks ago, and now the field is experiencing some changes in hierarchy. Namely, my pony is trying/actually is number one, and the horse I mentioned here is sort of number 2 in that he follows my pony around all the time. I think it’s a combination of these things as well, but I will be trying to supplement fat using some of the suggestions rather than upping his grain to get that weight on. He also is receiving a lot more hay.

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    I had the same problem with an appendix quarter horse that I got out of a neglect situation. He always has energy, but I don’t think any particular food or supplement is going to “fix” that; I just know that he will require a couple of good lunges before our class. He needed to gain about 400 lbs when we got him (lack of food and lots of worms), and the best combo for him was Buckeye EQ8 and Ultimate Finish 40. Both of these are high fat and low starch so it won’t add to his energy level. Just as a heads up, it did take about 1.5 years to get all that weight on him, so don’t expect overnight results.

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    Have you insured that he might not need a Power float?? When i have horses that start loosing weight i check the teeth first because even Jung horses can have issues with that.

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    I use SmartCalm on my mare and it works great! But if you don’t want to use a calming supplement, then you can try playing ground games before you ride. I always play Parelli games before I get on my mare to calm her down if she’s excited, and to get her attention on me. I also sometimes let her gallop around with me at liberty to let some of her energy out, but of course you can only do that if you have a field or arena to yourself. I highly suggest groundwork, though, and you should look up the Parelli games you can play with your horse!

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    research adding magnesium supplement. also, is there a way he can be outside 24/7? Horses tolerate cold very very well (obviously if they are not clipped, and not older) Not talking about just throwing them out in the pasture–but if they have a nice run in shed or something to get out of weather, they do great.

    NinaJD NinaJD
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    sounds like he’s a typical 4 year old arabian. you might just have gotten a more “hot” arab.
    I have an 8 year old who is just full of spunk and my mom has an 11 year old who is an old pokey butt. It’s just the personalities. He might relax some as he ages. He might always be a more high strung/high energy horse. Keeping his mind busy will help as well. Give him things to do in the pasture. We used to set up barrels in the pasture and put them in different patterns and then hide treats/hay around them so the horses would have to figure out how to get to the goodies. Some horses love playing with toys too.
    If possible I would do something more than just lunging him. That is just boring work for a horse. Mix it up, have him do figure 8’s, touch things with his nose, step up onto things, put some logs down, etc. Keep his brain working, don’t let him go into autopilot.(which a lot of horses do when lunged)

    "Take the time it takes, so that it takes less time."
    "Expect a lot, accept a little, reward often."
    Pat Parelli

    rgalambos rgalambos
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    He’s a 4 year old Arab. That says it all. Some horses are hot. Every hot horse I have ever owned has been that way until the day they died of old age. DO NOT get caught up on the myth that feeding him, or giving grain or other concentrates are going to make him hot. The only truth to this is that if you don’t feed him enough he will have less energy, just like if you had poor nutrition you’d have less energy. You just need to learn how to handle him. hot horses can be a lot of fun, but it will take a lot more than some lungeing and turnout to calm him down. I used to cometitive trail ride my arabs and they were perfect for that…. 30 miles of nothing but trotting and cantering…they learn to pace themselves.

    Just remember 4 year old Arabs are not for everyone. Arabs in general are not for everyone. As he gets older and you work with him more he will become more attentive, better behaved, easier for you to work with, but he will probably always be hot. You not liking his his personality though is your problem, not his, and pumping him full of calming supplements, cutting his feed, etc is not the solution. He needs a job.

    sutclije Original Poster
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    I found your response to be quite rude and far from helpful. Not all Arabs are hot, and since I have posted this, he has calmed down some. I have a feeling it was the weather change. I said nothing about not liking his personality – in fact, I just wanted to know what else I could do to help him considering he seemed to have a ton of energy, and what we were doing wasn’t helping him expend it. He is in a full training program including being ridden 3x and week and lunged 2 – 3x a week doing different exercises besides just going in a circle. He has a job. I am aware that his age contributes to his energy as does his breed. I have been told many times he will focus more as he gets older, so I’m aware of that. I am NOT pumping him full of calming supplements. He is on a very low dose because he also can be a bit anxious at times which he is also growing out of. I apologize in advance if I misread the tone of your response, but it was a bit rude to me.

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