October 18, 2014 at 11:35 pmtcc5121 Original PosterTopics Started: 1Replies Posted: 1
So long story short, I have had issues with my farrier for quite some time. From him never returning my phone calls to my horse never being quite right with the shoeing. So the farrier suggested we try the singafoos glue on shoes which i reluctantly agreed to. They are uber expensive $225 for one shoeing (only planned on doing it once to regain some hoof integrity). Anyways the day he got the shoes on he was CRIPPLED basically and in extreme pain. I had to have the vet out because she feared he was going into laminitis because the farrier trimmed him SO short. With some effort he is doing better. We are no longer going to use this farrier. However I dont feel I should have to pay the farrier the full amount… Because of the horrible trim job i had to pay a $130 vet bill… any opiniona on how i could possibly handle this? I had planned on paying him for materials used which cost $70.October 19, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Legally, I fear you will have to pay him, unless you want to take the whole mess to court. That might well end up costing you even more. What I would do, is get a recommendation for another farrier from your vet. Might be best to just let it go.
It is never the horse's faultOctober 19, 2014 at 3:35 pmMapaleTopics Started: 4Replies Posted: 421
I can relate to your situation tcc5121, but have to agree with Joe-Joe on this, very likely he would prevail in court unless you cross complained for the cost of your vet who would have to testify to bad farriery (more $$ for the testimony) and they hate to do that even when it is blatant. It will probably just cost you more, much as that farrier needs to be reckoned with it cannot by done that way. You may determine if he belongs to any professional organizations and report the problem to them in the hope of preventing the same thing happening to someone else. If not, next time go through the farrier associations such as AAPF, and/or a vet recommendation. There is no substitute for a good farrier, they are worth their weight in gold.
So sorry this happened to your horse.
Alois Podhajsky: “When I hear somebody talk about a horse being stupid, I figure it’s a sure sign that animal has outfoxed them. ...October 19, 2014 at 4:36 pmJoan FryTopics Started: 11Replies Posted: 324
TCC, there are a couple of people I wish I could have sued–like the “specialist” who did a root canal but then filled it without leveling off the top. That tooth was the first thing I felt every time I bit down. When I sneezed, I fractured the tooth. His fault, but as Mapale said, my own dentist, who had referred me to this guy, would have been very reluctant to testify in court. So I’d say what Joe-Joe and Mapale did–let go of it. You won’t forget it–I still harbor a grudge against that “specialist.” But count it as a learning experience, and ask your vet to recommend another farrier. I hope your horse is going to be okay?October 19, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Joan and Mapale – ever notice how we seem to all say essentially the same things? Now, we just need Pheets to weigh in on the issue!
One of the issues with this instance is that however lousy the job was, the man does have to be paid for his time, as well as the materials. It may not be fair, but that is how it is.
It is never the horse's faultOctober 19, 2014 at 7:04 pmtcc5121 Original PosterTopics Started: 1Replies Posted: 1
Thanks for the advice everyone.. guess ill just have to suck it up! the only positive i can say is atleast Forrest is doing much better now and is his happy old self again rather than being lethargic from the pain. Biggest thing i have learned is if a farrier isnt willing to communicate with you its probably time to move on!October 20, 2014 at 7:31 ampheetsTopics Started: 5Replies Posted: 475
I can only reiterate what the rest have already said ; ) Pay the dude and be done. He’s too small to spend big bucks DEFINITELY to get little bucks MAYBE. and THAT will take five years or better. Not minimizing your loss at all, even a dime is a lot of money for someone that doesn’t have one. Just knowing that it will cost far more to get your money back than what you’ve spent already. Dude isn’t worth the money it would take, Horse is : )
While you are in the search for a better hoofman, and if the horse is still tender at all, you might consider barefoot and hoofboots. Gel pad inserts are cheap and tho boots should not be on more than 12 hours/day or night, this can help the hoof recover a bit from the insult of poor shoeing and trimming by taking the sting out of standing/moving around. Circulation is key to recovery and growth. Gotta move to circulate, gotta be comfortable enough to move. Boots (will protect from less bruising and chipping) will also allow the hoof to grow out a bit for the next service to be able to start making any needed corrections. A hoof hardener like keratin, or some such can be useful when applied during his boots off shift. Boots left on too long will soften the hoof. Hoof hardeners or drying agents, actively monitoured, can help to balance that out. Take care not to dry out the hoof too much. This, if you choose to consider, is a SHORT-TERM fixe and will work best under the consult of a vet if not a farrier, of which I am neither.
Best of luck and healing for you and your horse, tcc, hoof and hoofman issues s….are bad.
Sure there's right and wrong but mostly there's just a whole lotta different.October 31, 2014 at 12:24 pmlil_juddTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 15
You’ll have to pay the farrier.
Do yourself a favor. Change farrier now. And please always remember – a farrier can make or break your horse.
Hopefully you have someone who can recommend a farrier to you. Hey that gives me an idea…
Somewhere there needs to be set up an “Angie’s List” for horse issues where we can recommend farriers, dentists, vets etc. – – – Or does anyone know of such a site.
Anyhow, my recommendation is simple – change farrier & don’t recommend this one to anyone.November 3, 2014 at 8:57 amkimberly_howardTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 1
Well i feel ur pain . But if u live n Illinois u could use Danny Merriman. He is an AWESOME. farrier who has worked with my vet to help my mare which has navicular. I promise u he’s great.
k2November 3, 2014 at 1:00 pmdenovo07Topics Started: 0Replies Posted: 2
I had this happen after almost 25 years with the same Farrier. One horse got a hot nail and I had to pay the Vet for the abscess it created and my other horse only had his front feet done.
What I did was wait for him to send me a second invoice. I wrote a letter to him tactfully explaining why I was no longer in need of his services and ended the letter with ‘If you feel that you deserve being paid for your services, cash the check’ Sadly, he did cash the check.
Trot on!November 3, 2014 at 1:35 pm
One error does not a lousy farrier make, especially if you were happy with him for 25 years. Were you not able to discuss this with him at all?
It is never the horse's faultNovember 3, 2014 at 11:18 pmMayouTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 1
I think you have to pay him and be done with it. I agree that one error does not make a lousy farrier, but from your letter I also think that he should return phone calls and if you are saying that you were never happy with what was going on……..find another farrier. I’m not sure how “glue on” shoes would make a horse so painful? 25 years ago I had to put glue on shoes on my Danish Warmblood. Eventually when I had him in a place that had no rocks, the farrier and I decided to pull his regular shoes (after a year of glue on, he went back to regular shoes) and let him go barefoot. First few weeks were tender, but he ended up with really nice feet. Just an idea…..but of course talk to your vet. Just telling you my experience. Good luck. No feet…..no horse.November 4, 2014 at 11:54 pmdenovo07Topics Started: 0Replies Posted: 2
It had been going downhill for a long time and his prices were on the high end. So, the hot nail and the partial trimming was the final. All, he had to do was explain what happened and I probably would have stayed with him.
Trot on!November 5, 2014 at 3:42 am
Perhaps it is better that he did not explain then – you might be better off without him.
It is never the horse's faultNovember 24, 2014 at 9:50 amGangstercatTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 1
I have to disagree with everyone so far. I would write him a check for the $70, write “paid in full” on it, and send it along with a letter explaining that he did not shoe your horse up to the standards of the profession and, as a result, you incurred significant vet costs. Chances are pretty good that it’s not going to be worth his time to chase you for the balance, particularly knowing that he has some liability too. Everything in life is negotiable and people should be more willing to stand up for themselves.
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