June 9, 2016 at 10:19 am
Hi, maybe someone can help me out with an on going issue/vice my BLM mustang mare has. A little bit about her (the little that I know) she’s allegeldy around 5-6 years old, eating orchard hay and 6lbs of nutrena pro force fuel and slow fed all the Bermuda grass hay in a slow feeder. She’s also on mare magic (experimental) gets sand cleared every two months as she doesn’t typically eat off of sand and wormed when necessary. She gets exercised at least 3 days a week. (Busy work schedule) but I used to exercise her 5-6 days a week before I got a second job.
Here’s her problem: she paces/stall walks aggressively regardless of anything I do. I have treated her for ulcers, tried magnesium, Brewers yeast, upped her exercise level, I put obstacles in her corral (she just pushes them around and through them carelessly) she isn’t quite food motivated enough as she will take a bite and pace. I’m currently trying mare magic to see if it’s a hormonal issue. My next option is a blood test to rule out anything systemic. But I feel it’s more behavioral as if I “baby sit” her she stops.
I know the nutrena pro force fuel is like rocket fuel for horses, she has a hard time keeping weight due to the pacing and this is the only feed I’ve found that is low starch and keeps the weight on her. I found out the hard way that she does not do well on starchy foods as she dropped a ton of weight on a good quality feed that had lots of starch.
One more thing. She gets turned out with other horses in a paddock and it doesn’t stop her behavior, she is corralled at night and surrounded by all the horses on either sides ands still paces. Not sure what else to do but I know the pacing is bad for her joints and bad for her over all due to elevated cortisol levels.
Hope I’ve explained enough, thank you! 1st picture is the day I got her. Second is within the last 30 days.
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If you find something that works, do let us know. My new mare (got from a kill pen in December) does the same thing, but usually only when in a stall. She is on Mare Magic and Daily Gold Stress Relief, and has calmed down considerably, but still has episodes of walking around in circles (perfect ones, at that). I’d love to find something that will “cure” her.
It is never the horse's faultJune 9, 2016 at 9:43 pmJoan FryTopics Started: 11Replies Posted: 324
The last time I looked for a horse (and ended up with a Morgan mare), somebody was giving an ASB away. A friend got wind of it and told me to pass, that the horse was so nervous that she would constantly stall walk. Nobody knew why, and she kept losing weight because of it, no matter what or how much they fed her. I don’t mean to discourage you. On the contrary, I want to reassure you that it’s not uncommon! How often do you ride her?June 10, 2016 at 8:26 pm
Oh! I did put her on daily good stress relief also for like over 30 days during her ulcer treatment. Nothing has seemed to work. If it’s a nervous disposition that’s easy to correct in my opinion. She’s not quite nervous as she is not truly alpha but wishes. Insecure! That’s the word. She’s not nervous she’s insecure I think. I took her to be professionally trained out of that behavior hopefully. As well as giving her exercise more often since I cant. She will be learning upper level dressage and trail. So hopefully that stimulates her brain enough to slow her down. As well as makes her physically tired enough to not want to. As well as give her the self confidence so she’s more secure. I’ll keep updating since this seems to be a thing with horses in corrals.July 7, 2016 at 1:51 pmriding for ChristTopics Started: 1Replies Posted: 118
There is a feed that is really great for weight issues and it does not make horses high strung. Its called Total Equine, I’m very satisfied with it. I had a rescue that was skinny and still had his winter coat on. I fed him Total Equine and his weight came back in a couple of months. I recommend this feed for your horse since it is a hard keeper. I hope this helps and that you try this feed!
Here is the website : http://www.totalfeeds.com
July 7, 2016 at 4:32 pmbigguysmomTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 5
- This reply was modified 1 year ago by riding for Christ.
WOW! You really have a problem. First, the weight issue: A Vet/friend put me onto Seminole Wellness Perform Safe. It is a pelleted, NSC feed. I had great success with it for my(at the time) 28 yr old TWH. Then two friends were having problems with their horses weight and I put their horses on it with much success and they have remained on it. Once you establish the perfect weight, then you maintain or slowly decrease amount to the perfect amount to maintain. The seasons will dictate the amount to increase or decrease once established.
What did your vet suggest for the pacing? My first reaction is to call my vet. My horse has cancer, so I am very careful at to what goes in and on him. Let me know what your vet says.
BigguysmomJuly 7, 2016 at 6:29 pmtammy_geakeTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 1
I had a stallion that paced his stall and his paddock constantly. Two things seemed to solve the problem: First I rode the heck out of him which he really enjoyed; Second I fed him a LOT of a high protein feed. I read somewhere the “overdosing” on protein can help calm them down. like your horse, he was hard to keep weight on and paced whenever I was engaging him somehow. Hope that helps!July 8, 2016 at 2:31 pmBarnGhostTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 8
I would agree with Total Equine if you find you need to change her feed. Just do so slowly as I’m sure you’re already aware. Our Arabian mare had the same issue when we put her in a boarding location. Is it possible for her to be put in pasture versus a stall? It is natural for them and they tend to have less anxiety when they are not walled off from the outside or the herd.
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Clinton AndersonJuly 8, 2016 at 2:45 pm
I am not sure this is a feed issue, really. My new mare, after trying her in various different “herds” is now in a field with horses she really likes and who are nice to her. She is much calmer, more relaxed, and no longer paces in her stall when she does have to stay in the barn. It took four months of experimenting, but she is now a much happier horse (and I am happy that her stall is not so much of a mess every day). Perhaps what your girl needs is a friend, or even several.
It is never the horse's faultJuly 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Hey guys. Thanks for the advice. As the stars aligned the trainer I wanted her to go to had an opening so I hauled her up there. I told him about her pacing and everything. She hasn’t paced once since being up there. However she’s in a 16×24 and it has walls on 3 sides and a full shaded top cover. She can only see out of the front by her gate and feeder. No pacing, she’s doing well. I did switch her feed around a little. She gets alfalfa oat pellets 2x a day, and 2 flakes of orchard grass (am/pm) she also gets renew gold, which I think someone mentioned, and she’s getting her rocket fuel. (Nutrena pro force Fuel). I think she was doing well on the mare magic so since she’s in heat again I’ll probably keep her on that during the summer. But I doubt it effected her pacing. She is getting a consistent 4-5 days of exercise at the trainers, when I get her back in a couple of months if the pacing starts again I’ll try to mimick the conditions at the training facility stall wise and see if that helps.July 10, 2016 at 1:05 pm
Oh. Also at my place she was turned out every day with 4 other horses so needing a buddy wasn’t an issue. Seems the opposit. She needs to be by herself. However I’ll be moving to Colorado next spring (spring 2017) where I’ll have tons of acreage and will allow my guys to roam more freely and only stalled during the winter months. I hope this helps her be healthier)July 20, 2016 at 4:20 pm
So a little update. She was doing great at the trainers facility. She wasn’t pacing and was gaining good muscle. Last week they put a horse next to her stall and took the boards down so they could see each other through the stud paneling. Guess what returned? Her pacing. She’s actually pacing even worse now. I have no clue what to do. She’s losing weight, she’s not healthy, I’m dropping a lot of money. Vet suggests blood work which I’m not opposed to. But I doubt it’s systemic since she wasn’t doing it even a week ago before new horse was put next to her. I am going to have to pull her from training if she doesn’t get corrected because it’s taxing on her health. At least at my place she can be with other horses and it will limit her pacing. I’m so stressed about this. Her new feed regiment is 2 flakes (about 8-10 lbs each) of orchard Am/pm, one BIG coffee can of alfalfa oat pellets am/pm, and she’s getting new gold, as well as she gets her nutrena pro force fuel. She doesn’t look good anymore weight wise. It’s super stressful. I didn’t even take pictures because I was ashamed of how skinny she looked compared to the week prior.July 20, 2016 at 5:19 pm
This sounds like a serious stress issue. How much do you know about her past life? Some horses just cannot be with others, no matter how odd that sounds for herd animals. Might she like a goat? At the very least, see if she can be farther away from her new neighbor, and see how that works.
It is never the horse's faultJuly 21, 2016 at 8:09 pm
Not sure if my other reply went through. I don’t know any of her history prior to me getting her. All I know is the lady who bought her got cancer and had to sell her. She was “feral” when I got her. (Not the case at all) She was very easy to handle and catch. The silly thing is, she is buddy sour. She just hates having stall neighbors if she can see them. I don’t know why. Sizs stall doesn’t matter. She will pace the side the horse is on. I’ve tried every arrangement with her, only thing that seemed to work was when she couldn’t see neighboring horse. Size for her doesn’t matter. I am stumped. Thanks all for the helpful words. I’ll keep you guys posted.July 22, 2016 at 11:03 amBarnGhostTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 8
I mentioned in an earlier post our Arabian mare having similar issues. It’s come to our attention that previously she had injuries due to her herd buddies and it created a serious stressor for her to be stalled or to be to near any other horses. Now as long as she has room to roam (pastured at this point) and has an escape route available she is so much happier. Is it feasible to give her the season off from training? Sounds like she is experiencing a great deal of stress which only adds to yours. A happy horse equates to a happy owner. We live in Colorado and absolutely love it so welcome!!
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