loose manure on hay, not pasture

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  • vicki_clonts
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    I tried several GI tract supplements for one of my old mares that didn’t seem to do anything. This old mare, did well on summer grasses, but in winter….she did not do well on hay. This mare was gasey, and had problems with her manure getting too wet …and then too dry. I had her scoped for ulcers by my vet (negative, she didn’t have them). Still to me she seemed to have some type of serious stomach issues…very gasey, and problems with manure either getting too loose or too hard…it varied greatly from day to day. She is old and has bad teeth and chewing issues due to the teeth. She still does fine in summer with lots of grass…but she has a hard time in winter on hay. The winter before last, I started feeding her chopped hay (“High Fiber Gold”) mixed with her grain..and it helped a lot to keep winter weight on her, but it was still a tough winter on her, still I was extremely glad I discovered the benefits of chopped hay. (it does not vary as much as winter hay does…during this past winter, ever load I got was a different quality…and sometimes the quality was extremely low…but the chopped hay was the same…all year long…great quality control all year long), All my horses now get chopped hay mixed with their grain all year long, I think it helps buffer the grain load at meal times, and it definitely makes the horse chew it’s grain ..they can’t bolt it down, plus my one mare that use to paw a hole to china at feeding time…is so much calmer about feed time, that she no longer paws at feed time (which is a huge time saver in stall floor repairs). Still, as much as the chopped hay helped get her though winter two years ago…I was very nervous last fall about winter coming up…so I bite the bullet and I put her on the SUCCEED CHALLENGE in the fall (before winter arrived) and wow, did that help her. She is still on the daily paste, and her coat/skin has never looked better. She is way less gasey, she is way more healthy looking all over…and her manure is perfect all the time! She doesn’t appear to have the stomach aches like she used to get! All in all, it’s definitely helped her. You might want to look into it…you can take the succeed challenge….and if it doesn’t work for your horse in 60 days, they’ll send you ..your money back. There are conditions…you have to get your vet to check to make sure she does not have ulcers (including in hindgut) first. They will send your vet their test for that. Of course if it is ulcers, you will need to treat that first. But if it is ulcers…you would want to know and to fix that first even if you weren’t going on the succeed challenge. My mare didn’t have ulcers. But it really helped her.

    Juliesjazz
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    CLW – You are exactly describing my horse. Due to the drought, the only hay we’re able to find is a fresh grass hay. I currently have him on Smart Digest, but it hasn’t had much effect. What allergy product are you using with your Morgan?

    Thank you!

    Julie

    CLW
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    Hello Julie, I have him on an allergy respiratory herbal blend from Horse Shoe Herbals HORSESHOEHERBALS@COMCAST.NET It has worked wonders for my Ben horse.

    CLW

    midnightsun
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    Hello. I see this is a really old posting but I was searching for the exact problem you have/or had. I did find 2 antihistamines for dogs, cats and horses. One is Hydroxyzine Pamoate and the other Cyprohetadine HCl. The hydroxyzine is under the equine rx so that is what I plan to try. I’ll be talking to my vet first though. Wondering which one you used. I see you have given the herbal blend above and will contact them. Thank you so much. I am so hopeful now after seeing your posting. Last year it was not as bad as this year. I tried complete, bran and sand clear last year. I think the sand clear helped. Spring came early so it was over fairly quickly. This year with single digit and subzero temps, it is much worse and harder to clean up as it is ice chunks frozen to her tail. We haven’t been above freezing since at least Christmas. I so appreciate you posting this information. Thank you.

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    Juliesjazz
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    Hi midnightsun:

    You’ll never believe what worked for me. After struggling with this for over a year and trying all kinds of supplements, my vet put my guy on a 30-day course of Metronidazole. The issue resolved quickly and hasn’t come back. He’s still doing great and will be 20 years old in just a few months.

    A number of the horses at my barn had the same issue. I think most – if not all – cleared up with Metronidazole. Although, some required a 60-day course.

    On it’s own, Metronidazole is pretty bitter. She went through a compounding pharmcay who mixed it with something that would make it more palatable. We just added to his feed every morning and he ate it up.

    Not sure why it worked, but I’m so glad it did!

    Julie

    CLW
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    Hello Midnightsun,
    I believe the product was labeled “Tri-hist” and it did come from my vet.

    CLW

    midnightsun
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    Thank you so much CLW. The Tri-hist sounds familiar. A vet in NM gave me some granules I put in grain many years ago as horses there get allergic to sage if I remember correctly. I will talk to my vet about getting some.

    Thanks again.
    Lynne

    midnightsun
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    Hi Juliesjazz.
    This does not surprise me since Giardia crossed my mind. Metronidazole works on protoza and ameboa which indicates the water as the most likely source of the problem. I will be talking to my vet about this as well. Thank you so much for sharing this information.

    After rolling this around in my mind, I want to add that my other 2 horses do not have this problem. The oldest mare is 27-1/2 and it started last winter. The other 2 mares are 24-1/2 and 23-1/2; they eat the same hay and drink the same water. Have to wonder if these organisms are always present but when their immune system starts to break down, this is how they effect the horse but why only on dry hay – whatever works is all that matters.

    Sincerely,
    Lynne

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    CLW
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    Hi Juliesjazz and Midnightsun,
    CLW here. Thank you for sharing your experience using the Metronidazole. I think that is a great approach to this sloppy stool issue. I had not thought of using that with horses. I have used it on several rescued cats with chronic diarrhea and it was the only thing that worked.
    My 20 year old Morgan gelding that started this whole thread of this topic is stabilized and is now off herbal allergy blend. I stay away from coarse/ mature or over mature first cut grass hays. That seems to have an effect on him. fine softer later cuttings work very well for him.

    With respectful regard
    Carol

    CLW
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    Hi Juliesjazz,
    You asked “Why on dry hay?” when my vet and I pow wowed about this factor his input regarding that was. “Grass has a high water content compared to the hay” so I took that response to mean that when we cut and dry our grasses for hay everything is more concentrated with out all that precious water that is so good for the inside of a horses digestive track. And maybe also as grasses mature, what ever is in there, that is bothering them, there is more of it as the grasses for hays grow taller and become more mature.

    Carol

    midnightsun
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    Hi CLW and Juliesjazz:

    I have slowed down the watery stool using Sand Clear for the last 4 days. The herbal allergy blend is scheduled to arrive tomorrow which I hope deals with the source of the problem. Thank you so much for making the connection to allergy and sharing the source of the herbal blend from Horseshoeherbals. I have high hopes this is the problem.

    Lynne

    Juliesjazz
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    Hi Carol – thanks for the information, glad to hear your Morgan is doing well!

    Julie

    Juliesjazz
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    Best of luck to you Lynne. Let us know how it turns out. It certainly can be a puzzle!

    midnightsun
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    Thanks Julie. I will let you know.
    Lynne

    pumpkin554
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    I am having the very exact same issue with my 5year old paint. I’m really curious to what everyone’s results were that got the herbal blend? I know this is an older post but I’m desperate. From what I know from his previous owner he has been like this his whole life.

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