September 5, 2013 at 11:44 am
Hello, I have recently rescued an arab/mustang 2yr old. He was starved and abused (in ways that I do not know of). I know about being the “leader”, and have trained many wild mustangs from the herds. The anger in this colt is prohibiting his lesson absorbtion. He will still invade my space, swish his tail, pretty much in the same rythem that I may be sacking him out at the time, throws his head around, and arches his body as if to kick, but then doesn’t. I’m wondering if he’ll ever get over it??? I have him on muscle builders,vitamins, and smart calm. Just started the smart calms three days ago.
Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. ThanksSeptember 5, 2013 at 12:26 pmkindleTopics Started: 2Replies Posted: 20
give the smart calm some time, it takes about 2 weeks on the average to build up and get into the systems. if you want it faster in the systems, then use the paste kind in the feed regimen, if your on a feed regimen for this horse.
the thing about overly angry horses are they are hard to get into their heads for sure, and their memory of abuse is very acute to them. I have dealt with some crazy horses with a deep seeded anger issue towards humans. what worked for me, was putting that nasty and unsafe attitude horse (any age) with a very dominate herd leader for training.
I happen to be blessed with a strong dominate and physically reactive horse in my pasture that runs the whole show for very one. quick to turn and bite a unmannerly horse and trains my horse the appropriate distances needed for respect without me having to do it myself.
angry horse with leader only, removing all the horses from herd and letting those two stay with each other for awhile. I ignore the angry horse totally and go about my business with feed schedules or other things I do with my horses. I wait…and wait…
the day comes and it happens every time
, the angry horse will want to see, or join in what the other horse is doing with me. he gets curious. that’s when we go to round pen, all 3 of us. my trained leader does as he is asked of him and we go thru all the basics of ground work training. its a refresher course for my experienced horse and a watch what is going with the angry horse. I keep a whip ( not to hit the other horse, but to keep him distant from me, we are not friends yet, and we won’t be til he calms down). I only work on my trained horse and let the other horse be in the round pen with us for the first few times. then after that, I start moving my horses, both of them together, with walk, trot and canter, of course then we go into turns and etc. again, its a wait until the angry horse gets it and is doing just the walk, trot, canter correctly. there after I can touch this horse and not have reactions from them. but…the key is not to let them be your friend, they can’t be baby into this good behavior, and they don’t need any sympathy either. they need trust, and they have to work at it on their own, they can’t be made to trust you until they are ready, they have too much trash in their heads to do that yet, in the beginning. its their willingness, not yours. I don’t react to such horses other then the distance of my safety. they will tell me when they are ready to try trust with me.
but I always work them with other horse first. horse can show things that people can not to a horse that is scared, abused or angry with humans. your blessed to have young colt and this will work far faster for you then it has for my horses that have come in from rescues all hateful. most the horses I worked with like this were over the age of 5. young horses are far more ready to follow the leader then older horses are in this state of mind. so that part you are very lucky and can do this.
"There's a difference between interest and commitment. When you're interested in doing something, you do it only when it's convenient. When you're committed to something, you accept no excuses; only results." - Kenneth BlanchardSeptember 5, 2013 at 12:28 pmlovemyhorseTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 19
It sounds like he is trying to protect himself and sees you as predator. No trust. There was a bunch of articles in a H&R or Equus magazine a few years ago about a filly that I think acted the same way — rescued mustang. Every article was an update on the progress — or lack thereof. This is not something that is gonna go away overnight, unfortunately. You mentioned you do have experience with mustangs so you know what is involved. The calms may help. If nothing else, and you have tried for a long time, you may have to lay the horse down just to try to get his attention but this would be a last resort. Continue to be the “leader,” treat him like you would a “normal” horse (ie not easy just cause he was abused), watch your back, and keep working with him. If he never comes around, he would not be safe for anyone. That happens too.September 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm9heritageTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 4
I have used a new product from Ireland called Horse First Relax Me with huge success for any kind of anxiety or over-the-top behavior.September 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Thank you all for the responses about my angry colt. I am willing to try them all, as I am really hoping for a nice solid riding partner in a couple of years.September 9, 2013 at 6:15 pmNinaJDTopics Started: 8Replies Posted: 139
how long have you had him?
I recently(3 months ago) rescued an abused horse as well. The first 3 weeks I had him I kept him by himself and spent a lot of time just being with him. Brushing him, rubbing him, talking to him, feeding him, etc. Just so he would get some trust in me that I wasn’t going to hurt him. After our bonding time, I started working with him in the round pen.
Once he trusted me, he was a changed horse. I can do almost anything to this boy and he’s ok with it all. He just looks to me for reassurance that it’s ok and won’t hurt him.
Seeing as your boy is still a baby, it might take a little longer. It sounds like he had a rough start, so I would just take it slow. Maybe hold off on any training, besides your basic ground manners and maybe some ground work. Just take the time to bond with him. Let him know that you’re there to help him and won’t ever hurt him. Gentle voice, gentle touch. But don’t baby him, that will only hinder him.
Good luck. You can change his life for the better. Take your time doing it. =)
"Take the time it takes, so that it takes less time."
"Expect a lot, accept a little, reward often."
Pat ParelliSeptember 9, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Hi, I’ve had him only about 3 months also, and I am now seeing signs of improvement. I can pick up his front feet, and touch (and sometimes) pick up his rears. He is afraid of the stiff brush, kind of panics at the sound and maybe the feel of it, but will be calm with a soft brush. So soft it is! I found myself in a possition of being “over” him yesterday, and that didn’t bother him, so I leaned my weight on his back, and that didn’t bother him either. What a surprise. He still pulls away quickly when I remove his halter, but is coming over to see me at his leisure, just for a scratch. His balking is getting less determined, and I can pull a blanket over his body and face. So, we are making progress. Just a note on him physically, his weight is perfect now, from a bag of bones to beautifully rounded, and his color has changed from being a silver body with dark points, to a blood bay roan. Just to show what good nutrition can do for a malnurished animal. I have really high hopes for this little boy, and I think that we may get there.September 9, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Thanks for the encouragment and training tips. I have tried a couple of times to pony him with my older riding horse, his buddy, and the balking has darned near pulled me out of the saddle. I never thought of just putting him in the round pen while working my old guy. Genious! I just love self training, and do it alot, but hadn’t though of that one. Thanks Ignoring his has also helped. He doesn’t like to be left out, and will push his way into our space. It is going better for us now, and I see a future for this little guy more every day. Trust is beginning.September 9, 2013 at 11:20 pmkindleTopics Started: 2Replies Posted: 20
oh that is so good to hear that he is coming around for you and building a trust line. that is so important for horses abused or not abused both. with trust you can build a relationship and friendship, have a future together that is peaceful for both horse and human for sure. keep us all posted of your progress, as I would truly like to hear how you and this colt is doing as things develop and get further along in time. thank you
"There's a difference between interest and commitment. When you're interested in doing something, you do it only when it's convenient. When you're committed to something, you accept no excuses; only results." - Kenneth Blanchard
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