September 5, 2013 at 12:21 pmjustme4horses Original PosterTopics Started: 1Replies Posted: 0
Horses are made to eat 18 hours daily and can only make saliva while eating, although it is naturally made for us.. when you lock them away in a stall with nothing to eat from am to pm. This is an awful pain they endure from the need to make saliva so you are hurting them. This is not natural for any horse although some may just get ulcers from the ordeal others will eat what ever they can get their teeth over to try and rid the horrible pain from the need to make saliva. Feed a cheaper hay and keep it in your stall or let them out to graze. You are taking away from the horse it is not taking from you. Observe your horse and see what it does on its own. Pay attention and you will see the natural way they eat.September 12, 2013 at 10:42 pmAmyJeanTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 12
Wow never heard the saliva thing before. Can’t say I believe that one. I’ve owned a horse that always had a wet bit. Ones that get a milk mustache when ridden. And another that will fling spitballs rather gross like while bing ridden. Not too sure how factual your believes are.September 19, 2013 at 1:27 pmGHFriderTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 32
That’s all true as far as the need to graze constantly, but not so much the “pain” associated with saliva production, and it’s not necessarily related to wood chewing/cribbing/wind-sucking and other idiosyncratic behaviors. My horses are on 24/7 turnout with lots of grass and free-choice hay, yet I have a wood chewer who came with that habit and has been impossible to cure in the 8 years I’ve owned him. He’s 22 now and it’s unlikely I’ll ever get him to give up the bizarre habit. He lips (it’s more a cupping with his tongue than a chewing) his water bucket, feed bucket, metal gates….anything horizontal. And he eats the edge of the top fence board, but only in one area of the farm. He’s never without hay or grass in front of him, and it’s all good quality. There’s lots of research to suggest that a horse who is left standing in a stall for long periods without hay is more likely to develop ulcers because his gut is digesting itself rather than to have pain from lack of saliva. Interesting point of view, but you might want to do more research on it.
Horses In the YardSeptember 20, 2013 at 10:28 am
Wood chewing has many causes and many fixes. I also have/had my wood chewers even with 24/7 feed. While a dry mouth can be one of causes, there are also many other causes. Something lacking in their diet, boredom, habit, plain old hunger, ulcers, heck I am sure I am missing a fewOctober 1, 2013 at 12:16 pmAshleyTopics Started: 0Replies Posted: 3
Wow never heard the saliva thing before. Can’t say I believe that one. I’ve owned a horse that always had a wet bit. Ones that get a milk mustache when ridden. And another that will fling spitballs rather gross like while bing ridden. Not too sure how factual your believes are.
It absolutely is true.
“Bicarbonates in saliva buffer the gastric acid and pepsin produced by the pyloric
portion of the stomach and coat and protect the squamous epithelium in the cardiac
region. If inadequate saliva is produced by the horse, the pyloric region becomes
more acidic and the cardiac region is left unprotected from any contact with gastric acid. While gastric acid in the horse is secreted continuously with or without the presence of food (Murray, 1998), horses salivate only when chewing (Alexander and Hickson, 1970). Feeding forages to horses increases the amount of chewing time and consequently the amount of saliva produced (Murray and Schusser, 1989), and forage meals do not stimulate as much gastric acid production as grain meals (Smyth et al., 1988).”October 27, 2013 at 11:29 am
Has anyone ever heard of their horse eating their shavings? We switched to pin shavings a few weeks ago and my horse is actually EATING them. He is also a wood chewer outside. My vet said that maybe he was lacking selenium? He has a hanging salt rock, another salt rock on the ground that is 50% selenium, a hanging jolly ball, and a treat ball. Anyone have any thoughts about this?October 27, 2013 at 11:29 am
Pine shavings** sorryOctober 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Hi To totally rule out that he is lacking something in his diet, what did his blood test come back? what is his diet/food? lots of information is needed and input from a nutritionist is very helpful for the official is he lacking something. You mention the vet has checked him and you do offer him selenium, so you might start checking for other reasons.
Is he a wood chewer if there are other options for staying busy?October 29, 2013 at 11:25 pm
He blood work came back fine. He gets 1 scoop of legends performance textured which is 11% protein, 10% fat and 12% fiber. It also contains rice bran and flaxseed. He also gets 1 scoop of the Southern States Multi Stock 12% sweet feed.
He is a wood chewer if there are other options. He is a busy boy so he usually does one thing, then chews, then will get bored with that and start another.October 30, 2013 at 8:06 am
From what you are posting you are probably dealing more with behavior/habit then need for basic health. It is good to keep up with yearly or semi-yearly health checks with your vet. I have one that is laid back and so easy, I can almost miss a problem. Then I have one that is such a pain, just has to stay busy, its hard not to jump to a problem.
You didn’t mention any of these but I would call it the we would like health group. The I wish his hooves where healthier or boy he doesn’t move quite as well as when he was younger, or ?? smartpak does have some nice supplements for this area.October 30, 2013 at 8:57 am
Well when I have Moose get his coggins, I always have the vet do a thorough exam as well. He has no problem with movement, he is still young. He’s 6. But I was looking to put him on the SmartPak Ultra Combo. I love that it has the hoof, digest, joint, and coat all together. Any thoughts?October 30, 2013 at 11:56 am
Combos do help simplify life :-). Sometimes its money sometimes its mood for if I do combos or individual items. LOL. I do like to keep mine on a digest support. I have a tendency to off and on do the hoof and coat and joint.
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